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I'm Richard Dolan I've been writing

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about UFOs for quite a long time I've

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got a couple of websites to deal with it

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Richard Owen Press where I have a lot of

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the books that I've published and by

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myself and other authors as well as

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Richard Olin members which is a very

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active site where I have putting up a

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lot of content all the time I'm very

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interested now in spring of 2018 where

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we are and some of the developments of

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the UFO subject particularly the issues

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of let's call it the whole disclosure

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movement if that's what we can call it

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and and a lot of elements relating to

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media portrayal of that so I guess

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specifically what I'm looking at right

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now is on the one hand a long history of

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mainstream establishment media debunking

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of UFOs and this goes right through the

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90 from the 1940s right on through to

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the present day in which led by the New

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York Times led by The Washington Post

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and then in more recent eras CNN and the

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other mainstream have typically taken a

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debunking world toward the UFO subject

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and then contrasting it seemingly

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contrasting it with some of the recent

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treatment over the past six months or so

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especially since December of nineteen

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excuse me December 2017 when the New

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York Times published a couple of

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articles on UFOs and people thought oh

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my goodness they're they're changing

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their entire perspective why are they

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promoting UFOs when in the past days to

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debunk it so I want to talk a little bit

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about this it's really not such a

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contradiction

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after all so one of the things that

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people have to understand about the

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media particularly the establishment

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media is that it's not your friend

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mainstream media is not your friend it

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will never be your friend

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mainstream media lies mainstream media

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spins mainstream media omits its sensors

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information the mainstream media

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is owned by a tiny number of

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corporations that have their own agenda

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the mainstream media has cooperated with

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the US intelligence community for many

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many years the mainstream media even

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makes us sick like literally makes us

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sick there have been studies that have

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indicated this and you know so all of

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these things should make us wonder what

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is going on with our mainstream media

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well one thing people have to understand

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is a program that we now know all about

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known as operation Mockingbird and it's

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my opinion that every citizen in the

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world and especially every American

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citizen really needs to know what

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Mockingbird was alright so Mockingbird

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was a CIA organized media control

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program during what was known as the

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Cold War the 1940s 50s and 60s in

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particular it was outed in the 70s and

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what it involved was the CIA having

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hundreds of American journalists on

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their payroll and just stop and ask

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yourself what that means what that meant

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and how much control you might be able

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to have over the news over the media if

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you had control or influence with 400 of

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the top journalists in your society you

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could have a lot of power and one of the

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things that they did was create fake

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news literally fake stories primarily

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they would create them internationally

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when they wanted to do regime change

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like in Iran in 1953 or Guatemala in

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1954 or Cuba in 1961 and elsewhere where

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they would create fake stories abroad

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and those stories would then filter back

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dutifully by UPI and Associated Press

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back to the United States to work up the

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public and justify regime change it's an

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old story this is not a new thing that

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the United States does so anyway this is

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what Mockingbird was doing back then so

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then Mockingbird was outed it was

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revealed in the 70s and the CIA said

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well no we don't do anything like that

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anymore we don't have paid relationships

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with journalists for the purposes of

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influencing media yeah they're very very

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specific and legalistic when you hear

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them give these denials by the way but

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in fact Mockingbird does exist it's

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deeper it's more profound it's more

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powerful than ever before and it doesn't

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just involve the CIA it involves the

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Pentagon which spends billions of

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dollars every year managing its own

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image worldwide and that includes media

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relationships the CIA and the Pentagon

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there's deep deep relationships going on

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there so that's one thing people have to

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understand all right your media is

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controlled your establishment media is

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deeply controlled there is an agenda

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there in everything that comes out of

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CNN or any of the other major mainstream

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established sources there is deep

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control going on there and part of that

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control has affected the UFO subject so

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over all of these years and we know this

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by the way this is not a matter of

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speculation so we know there was an

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infamous panel and in the 1950s known as

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the Robertson panel in January 1953

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where the CIA convened a panel of

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scientists to talk to discuss UFOs and

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one of their primary conclusions in 1953

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was we will kind of put this subject to

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sleep as far as the public is concerned

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and we're gonna work with major media in

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the process of doing that this was no

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big deal for them to work with the media

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so the UFO subject has been handled in

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this matter and the reason is that the

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UFO subject is of prime importance to

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national security and all you have to do

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is read a few of the declassified

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documents that we have

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access to through freedom of information

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that proof they don't hint they prove

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that unknown objects of incredible

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capabilities have been evading our

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interceptors for quite some time and

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they are mysterious and they are

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exhibiting grave levels of concern so

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the UFO subject is important the UFO

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subject is part of the media's

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collaboration with the national security

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community and for all of these years the

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mainstream media has worked very very

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dedicated ly to keeping the UFO subject

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on the margins on the fringe and they've

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succeeded now a couple of things have

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happened over the last generation that

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have changed things up a little bit one

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is we've developed this internet the web

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this interconnectivity that was not

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conceivable 25 plus years ago no one

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could imagine this so we have now a

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genuine viable alternative media this

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could not have happened prior to 1990 or

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even prior to prior to like 2000 really

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but is here now and that's a threat to

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the system and what that has meant is

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that over the last twenty years or so

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the establishment has had its own

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counter-offensive and the latest

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iteration of that is deeming alternative

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news to be so-called fake news and you

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hear this all the time so this is the

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latest offensive by the way you will

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watch and you'll see over the next few

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years that fake news increasingly will

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be made illegal not just ridiculed and

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dismissed but actually will be there's

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legislation in Malaysia famously this

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earlier this year in 2018 they passed

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laws criminalizing fake news and it

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won't stop there it's going to happen in

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a lot of other places Britain's already

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gone off they're out of their mind

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relating to so-called fake news and you

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can see this is going to get worse and

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worse the point is this that's the

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counter-attack by the establishment

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against alternative media all right so

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you know where that whole battle is

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going that's the question I don't know

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the answer to that maybe nobody does but

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now recently relating to UFOs we see

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something new we see the New York Times

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on December 16th 1920 17 come out with

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two not one two really interesting

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articles on UFOs two articles in one day

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both of them gave a very you know

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reasonably positive spin on the subject

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one of them stated several revelations a

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the Pentagon for five years roughly

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speaking spent about twenty two million

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dollars on UFOs on UFO research now in

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pentagon money that's really nothing but

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still twenty two million dollars hey

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significant and you want to know why

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would they be spending money at all if

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UFOs are supposed to be nonsense be they

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these articles put out the knowledge

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that this program the advanced errors

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based identification threat program a a

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tip run by a man named Louise Elizondo a

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career intelligence officer Elizondo

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made statements that their program ran

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into objects that were unexplainable

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that's interesting objects that he

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characterizes beyond next generation

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that's also interesting see they

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discussed the encounter by commander

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a Super Hornet in November 2004 off the

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coast of California hell of a case he's

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out there with another pilot on an

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intercept mission of an object that was

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being tracked he sees it he says it

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looked like a large tic-tac

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on or around the surface of the ocean

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throbbing waves below it he goes down it

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comes up it zooms off that a speed that

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it's amazing stuff the New York Times

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bombshell which was at Bigelow Aerospace

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buy run by Robert Bigelow is the private

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company that had the contract with the

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government to study all of his UFO data

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and including receiving materials

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described in the New York Times piece as

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metal alloys that were being studied of

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these objects now the New York Times

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article was a little bit a little cagey

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about that and what they actually said

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was according to Elizondo even so

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Bigelow supposedly had this so first of

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all skeptics come in and their first

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thing is to say up this doesn't mean a

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thing first of all all you've got is

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corrupt sweetheart deals that the Senate

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has with some aerospace guy and they're

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throwing a few million dollars away

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that's how they like some of them like

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to explain this away but that really

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will not do I mean unless you simply

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call flavor and Elizondo boldface Liars

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which oh can you feel free to do that I

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won't and at the same time they've come

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out with evidence in the form of video

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now all of this is sponsored through Tom

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DeLong's initiative Tom DeLonge former

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singer blink-182 to the Stars Academy

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and people have been following the UFO

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field they kind of know what about this

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ad along in October of 2017 two months

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prior to the New York Times piece had a

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press conference with Elizondo and a

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number of other individuals very

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prominent impressive people to promote

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his initiative which is a business model

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that frankly I have a hard time

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understanding how this is supposed to

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work entertainment scientific R&D

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of exotic UFO tech reverse engineering

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at studying at making money off of it

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and so forth the point is this the New

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York Times piece did not just come out

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of the blue the New York Times piece in

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my view is what I would characterize is

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damage control and basically cauterizing

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a wound

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because elizondo's information about the

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a tip program that was going to come out

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no matter what he was talking about it

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it was coming out end of story

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and so if you're the New York Times you

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are the voice of the establishment you

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are the organization that's had been in

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bed with CIA since the 1940s since there

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was a CIA New York Times has always been

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in bed with him the New York Times

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gleefully promoted the lies of the

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Pentagon that led to the Iraq war know

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three the fictitious weapons of mass

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destruction

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the New York Times gleefully put out all

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the rumors of anthrax before there was

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an anthrax scare in the fall of 2001 the

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New York Times has been in bed with the

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national security state forever they are

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never to be trusted so the point is New

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York Times now gives out in front of

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this UFO story and they put out a couple

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of reasonable articles about it

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so why well again the best way to keep a

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secret is you pretend to share it and so

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they gave out some information that was

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genuine information about the program

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they also misleadingly said a number of

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other things really misleading

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misleading point number one they stated

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that the pentagon closed the program

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down in 2012 that's almost certainly not

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the case secondly they use the phrase

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metal alloys to describe the materials

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received from these UFOs okay let me

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take that first there's a lot of good

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investigation going on now

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not by establishment media they're not

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doing a thing but by private UFO

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researchers that we're trying to get to

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the bottom of all of this and one of the

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things that is

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is that that material is not metal

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alloys and this is important because I

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read one debunking piece some time ago

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by an engineer who said metal alloys

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this doesn't make any sense

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we don't have mysterious metal alloys we

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understand them all pretty well why

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would we need to have have a detailed

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study of metal alloys well it's probably

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a good point but the fact is that what

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they're studying are not metal alloys

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they're known as meta materials and

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whatever they are they are much more

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advanced than the kind of materials that

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we typically work with that's the word

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that I have been getting from not one

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but two sources so what I would like to

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know is how did the phrase metal alloy

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get its way into the New York Times

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piece I asked if it was Elizondo and I

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was told it wasn't him if it wasn't he

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who stated that phrase metal alloys and

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it was somehow between him and the

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journalists of that New York Times piece

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it's Ralph Blumenthal Leslie Kane and

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Helene Cooper somehow it got into that

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article and I would like to know how

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because that's a piece of disinformation

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I would have said misinformation but it

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sounds like disinformation intentionally

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misleading information so this was what

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I think was going on with the New York

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Times piece you you give some

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information you withhold the rest and

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you basically just kind of attempt to

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end the story there now what it did

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though is by the very fact that the New

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York Times released this story it

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essentially gave permission to the rest

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of the mainstream media for a little

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while to delve into this matter of UFOs

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it was very interesting we saw some

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pieces by the Washington Post a few days

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later terrible pieces The Washington

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Post is incapable of doing any good

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journalism at in any way really but

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certainly on the matter of UFOs there

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there reprehensibly bad they try to do a

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few pieces on UFOs they were awful but

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then some of the mainstream televised

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media CNN and Fox and some of the others

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did a few interesting interviews with

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some of these people and quite

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interesting to watch I think in

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particular the interview with flavor by

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Tucker Carlson was quite good quite good

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it's a four or five minute piece it's on

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YouTube so there was a little bit of a

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follow up by the mainstream but what you

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notice is that all of the really key

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questions have been avoided for the most

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part all right first of all you know you

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don't have anyone in the mainstream

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asking one of the most fundamental

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questions of self reflection I mean

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think about it

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seventy years have gone by of nothing

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but debunking and dismissal of this

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subject of UFOs and suddenly it comes

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out that oh this is actually being taken

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seriously even in our own era wouldn't

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you think that anyone in the mainstream

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would say wow where have we been so

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snarky and dismissive and ridiculous

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about this all this time what are the

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implications of that and is there

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something serious going on is it

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credible that these objects which are so

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extraordinary merit only 22 million

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dollars is spending over a five-year

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period is that really credible to think

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or maybe maybe there's something more

403
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going on here I mean one of the things

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that elizondo's said that I thought was

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quite on point in an early statement he

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gave for Politico was he said something

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like you know if the Chinese or Russians

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were developing this technology we would

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be really concerned here in the US and

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instead he said all I get from here is

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the sound of crickets so it's like from

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his higher-ups

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no one seems to be concerned why like

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why is this not a question that the

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media is really asking if you've got

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objects that can do what the tic-tac

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did with flavor and let me really

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emphasize this flavor by his description

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circles around C's it comes down on an

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intercept it comes up and zooms off and

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according to his statement that thing

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was out of visibility in two seconds

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there was a perfect visibility of ten

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miles and I think what he said a more or

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less practical visibility of almost

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fifty miles

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but even if you say two miles in ten

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seconds you're talking several thousands

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of miles per hour more than fifteen

430
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thousand miles per hour I believe really

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fast now of course that's an estimate by

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his you know visual acuity and so forth

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but still that object was fast and

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there's more by the way again this is

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where private researchers are doing the

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work that mainstream journalist you'd

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think should be doing but are too lazy

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or too controlled to actually do and one

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of the things that people are learning

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is that that tic-tac object had the

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ability to penetrate highly encrypted US

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military codes and how well it was able

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to be at a certain specific location

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where the Navy pilots were vectored to

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be at and it got there before they got

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there it's as if it heard the

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communication which was encrypted and

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was right there at the rendezvous point

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and let me just say like no one's

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supposed to be able to do that and there

451
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are a number of technical details that

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I've learned a little bit about in terms

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of the nature of these communications

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and just how difficult that's supposed

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to be and so that this object could just

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with the greatest of ease go through

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encrypted communications and be where it

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was supposed to be that's serious where

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is the mainstream media asleep at the

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wheel as they always are

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this to me offers very strong evidence

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that the mainstream media's efforts in

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analyzing this UFO phenomenon is not a

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serious effort and it really never was

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the only serious thing about it is again

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again is to be the only serious effort

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about it is that of damage control that

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of containment of a problem that was

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threatening to go out of control

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now there's one other one other thing

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that we might say about the commedia

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coverage of all of this and you know

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I've been talking about it as damage

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control and I think that's true but if

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you look at say the long-term issue of

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will there ever be a genuine disclosure

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of a UFO reality let me talk about this

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so my opinion I mean I wrote a book

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about this eight years ago and my

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opinions evolved let me just say but I

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think I'm fairly consistently feeling

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there will never be a voluntary

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disclosure of this never voluntary it

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will only happen if the powers that be

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are pushed to the wall when they have no

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other way out and I think that's still

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true what's happening now is that in our

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society we're in a very dynamic society

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and there's a lot of people in this

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world who are interviewing other people

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who are talking to everyone and

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informations flowing around in ways that

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we were not able to do in previous

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generations so stuff is coming out and

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and there's got to be contingency plans

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that have to be in place in the event

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that things are moving and so I think

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that this might be a little drip drip of

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disclosure that we're seeing which I

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think would probably be extended as long

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as possible I think it is in the

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interest of those people who've got this

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information to maintain

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leave that information for as long as

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possible however long that will be if

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that's five years fine if that's ten

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years twenty years thirty years whatever

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they can get out of it however long they

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can milk it they're going to milk it

510
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because this is a moneymaker why just

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look at the guys into the stars right

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now what are they actually doing well

513
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they're shopping the video around three

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three videos have been released all

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right

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the so-called tic-tac video the Gimbel

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video and the go-fast video as of this

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00:25:06,250 --> 00:25:04,490
interview those are the three that have

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been released and there's a lot of

520
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technical discussion about all of them

521
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on some very astute websites some of

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which are debunking them as in one case

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the gimble video is the hot exhaust of a

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jet it's not a bad argument but what I

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have been learning is that the videos

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that are out are short versions of much

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longer videos and the much longer

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version of these videos and several

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others that have not yet been shown as

530
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of right now that these I am told are

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very powerful and I've been told this by

532
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individuals have seen them so that's all

533
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that I can say about it right now

534
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and if that's the case and it tells me

535
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that we the public are not the target

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audience of to the Stars Academy they're

537
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not interested in convincing you or me

538
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,130
about the reality of this phenomenon so

539
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:05,840
who are they interested in talking to

540
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,130
well they're I think they're interested

541
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in talking to Congress why because

542
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:12,080
there's money there there's research and

543
00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:14,290
development money there if you want to

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00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:20,630
gain contracts off you know with

545
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taxpayers money to research yourself I

546
00:26:26,530 --> 00:26:25,309
mean that's the most ideal situation in

547
00:26:29,140 --> 00:26:26,540
the world of course they're going to

548
00:26:30,850 --> 00:26:29,150
want that and who does it go back toward

549
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well it looks like it would go back to

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Robert Bigelow it seems to me he's the

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one with all of the strings here

552
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he's got knowledge deep knowledge of

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this phenomenon and make no mistake he's

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one of the most knowledgeable people in

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the world on this

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checked after all of the years that he's

557
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investigated he knows probably

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everything practically speaking that

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there is to know about this I would bet

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so he's in a great position to do very

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good scientific Rd on money-making

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opportunities connected to some of this

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technology and I would assume that the

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conversations the real conversations the

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real people that they're seeking to

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impress are not you and me

567
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it's members of Congress and other

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movers and shakers in Washington and

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elsewhere who have the ability to

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generate contracts for these guys so